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GW Bush State of Union video

December 18, 2003

[Originally posted by dual_celeron]

Click here for video.

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EDIT: this makes fun of Bush so if you love him don't watch it.

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December 18, 2003

That is just plain awesome!!!

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December 18, 2003

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dual_celeron

your anti American and anti bush post have gone to far this time...

I don’t have a lot of people on my ignore list on this forum, but you are about to get on it.
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My thinking is in line of that of dual_celeron:

Politicians are not and should not be immune from being criticized. Never forget that politicians from whatever (democratic) country derive their 'power' from the people who may or may not have exercised their voting rights. The executives who got voted into power are ultimately answerable to the will and opinion of the people.

Putting up barriers to shield politicians from criticism in the name of ‘patriotism’ or ‘national identity’ is a misuse of these noble terms. Politicians act on behalf of their people and the will of their nations; should the acts or decisions of politician(s) of one country ultimately affect the well being, in all or any facets of life, of another country, these people have all the rights in the world to make their opinions known.

The position adopted by those who’ve thinking that ‘Our country is the greatest on the planet. How dare you question the action and judgement of politicians of this great nation?’ is simply one of burying their heads in the ground. A powerful state/nation may be the ‘policeman of the world’ for some, but it is equally likely to be seen as ‘the bully of the world’ for others. There is a fine balance between them.

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December 18, 2003

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I am proud to be an American. It pisses me off when the same people always rip on it...and for what reason? Little man syndrome is the only reason I can think of...jealousy. America is the greatest country in the world. No doubt about it. Our leadership is elected leadership, not put in place because of bloodlines or military might. We have the ability to change our leadership...at any time that we choose. Because we are the most biggest and baddest, we are the policeman of the world by default. Would you rather have China doing the policing? Or N. Korea? Saddam? I suppose that there are those that look at the US as a bully, but they can kiss my a** because they are the same countries that have their hand out for money from the US. When they stop asking for handouts and taking MY money, then I might start listening to them. Until then, pucker up.
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It is all very well to stand up on top of the world and shout to everybody that ‘I’m the greatest, biggest, baddest, etc, and if you don’t like it you can kiss my a$$’. You, as well as anyone else (whether they indeed are the greatest, biggest or baddest), are entitle to think and act that way. After all, we live in the a relatively free world. However, being the greatest, biggest and baddest also carries responsibility. I don’t mean responsibility towards others, that’s just something called generosity. It is the responsibility of how you use the ‘perceived’ power and position that comes with being greatest, biggest and baddest.

For every time you play the ‘I’m the greatest, biggest and baddest, so shut the fcuk up for we can do whatever we want’ card on someone, you’re, and I’m saying this with no small degree of confidence that it is true in some places, planting another seed of future problem. The fact that the US is currently (and for a foreseeable future) the greatest, biggest and baddest is of no doubt. Never forget that once upon a time, there were mighty empires of the Egyptians, Romans, Persians, Indian, Chinese, Aztecs, to name a few, that were greatest, biggest and baddest. I guess you know what happen to them.

President John F. Kennedy had the beginning of an idea when he gave his Inaugural Addresses in 1961:

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And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country.

My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.
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The above quote should be extended to conclude: ‘My fellow Americans: ask not what you can do to the rest of the world, but what you can do for others.’

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December 18, 2003

Well, I'm trying very hard to leave the politics out of this debate... (obviously not quite achieving my goal)

The point I'd like to get across is that whether politicians are good, bad or ugly, we need to have a) the ability and b) the freedom to make fun of them. Politics is a deadly serious business and politicians need to be reminded that their performance is continuously being monitored, not just during election campaigns. Obviously politicians are immune to criticisms, I think we can all agree with that. However, the sharpest criticism is often delivered as a form of comedy - good taste or otherwise.

I’m not trying to be pessimistic, but no politician is perfect - it is an absurd idea! We should not, no matter what nationalities we are, allow ourselves to be blinded by our patriotisms or loyalties to our politics to deny our rights (and obligations) to inform politicians of their obligations to serve us - the electorate - and not their friends, their egos, their business connections and whatever lobbying groups they may have sold their souls to...

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December 19, 2003

There are significant differences between making fun of people because of their looks, weights, behavior, etc and taking shots at politicians. People look, weigh, behave, etc like they do because they often have little or no choice of about it... It is disrespectful to make fun of people in less fortunate positions.

However, as far as I'm concern, taking shots at politicians is something called 'a fair game'. There are nearly no such things called 'reluctant politicians' (none of them is like Jack Ryan in Executive Orders). Politicians are there because they want to be there. They're in the public domain because they've taken enough campaign money to 'buy' enough votes or have sold their souls to the corporates or 'focus groups'/'lobby groups'/'special interest groups' to secure the money/votes. If they can't handle the heat: step down and do something productive for a change, .as oppose to sitting around and conduct ‘mass debates’ (take it whichever way you want to...)

Once upon a time (I think back in the 19th century), there was something called 'integrity' in politicians... but it has all but evaporated away. Standing up for politicians because they’ve been wronged, as in serious allegations, may be considered fair (most of the time the allegation are true though! ); but standing up for them because they’re the butt of some jokes is just plain naïve.

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December 19, 2003

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I have bleed for the flag, and fought for this country, and I can not stand it when people trash it for no reason other then to trash it.
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That’s very noble of you and I’m in awe of your commitment to your country.

However, those you fought against (may) have fought and bled for their country. That makes them noble and committed to their country also, the politics of their countries’ leaders notwithstanding. That, in turn, applies to the USA - you might think you have fought for the ‘just’ cause, you were just doing that job that you chose and volunteered for. Once you’ve join up, you don’t have a choice - you’ve made your choice already. Your CinC commands you to do something and you go do it - that’s the unity of command. There are no ‘ifs’ and no ‘buts’. The politics of your CinC is not for you, a soldier, to question. But does it make every action he demands of you and your fellow soldiers a ‘just cause’?

The answer is ‘No’.


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