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why did it happen to me?

October 10, 2003

[Originally posted by not_your_punk]

i've just got back from the police station.....arrested and reprimanded for possesion of a controlled substance (weed..). basically, i was havin a toke out back of the pub when some fat copper collared me, arrested me n took me to the station, after searchin my lady friend. i got off with a 'slap on the wrist' (in their words), but the worse part is that they phoned my parents against my wishes cos the frickin' retard couldn't spell my address and had to cross-check it. my parents are now totally upset at me, which is a lot worse than being arrested. i'm so upset now, its untrue. i hate to see my mom cry, it sickens me.

why do i get arrested for doin summat that aint harming anyone, i wasn't causing trouble or damage. i hate this ****** country and all its dumb laws. why can't they go pick on people causing trouble and violence? i'm goin now, as i'm too upset to type anymore. peace.

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October 10, 2003

This is a particular problem with rule of law in the UK. The police in this country apply the law as and when they choose to, which means that sometime you can get away with the most blatant acts but then other times you get caught out for smallest of infringement. IMHO, the law is the law - you break it, you get the rap. No 'buts'.

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October 11, 2003

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What we need is less police bashing, and for the Government to provide more money to pay Coppers and decent wage to attract more Policemen and women, so out streets are safer. We don't have enough. THAT is the problem.

And yes, Knoxy, I've tried drugs. When I was 18-19 a few friends did ganja with regularity, and I did it a bit.

It was at the point where a few friends laughed, for around 3 hours at a packet of Jacob crackers, that I stopped it. I'm more than laughing at crackers.

I don't need it. As a release, as a form of enjoyment, something to escape from. A positive attitude, not gained from anything else other than me changing my outlook makes me a happier person.
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Alright!!! At last something in this thread that actually make sense!

Police has one job to do - to uphold the law. They're not there to interpret the law, that's for the judges to decide and lawyers to argue about. Upholding the law means two things:

- arresting people when they break the law, no matter serious or light the offense is;
- lead by example - obey the law.

The police should not be put into a position where they need to weigh up the which bit of the law to uphold. The law is what it is, break it and you should expect trouble. It is as clear cut as it possibly can be.  

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October 12, 2003

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If they reclassifyed drugs etc. Tobaco would end up in the CLASS A section, its actually more harmful for you than weed!
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Yes, I agree with that assessment. However, the same would also apply to alcohol. Additionally, alcohol has a strong link with anti-social behavior which may or may not be latent in the individual's personality, but it is often manifested in the state of drunkenness to a varying degree.

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October 12, 2003

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Well, we all know what the rules and we know what the score is, very true. but the fact is its really an individual choice and you cant enforce it in reallity because its up to the individual. Personally I dont think it should be up to the government to decide what I can and cant put in my own body.
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You do have a choice! If you'd so choose to, and if you have the money and know the sources, you can go and pick up pretty much any forms of narcotic you want to scramble your brain/body with. However, it is a question of personal responsibility. Keeping health aside, many addictive narcotics have anti-social phenomenal as a result of addiction.

We cannot allow people who go and commit burglary, robbery and other types of crime to fund their addictions. I know what you’re going to say next: “If the drugs are legalized, prices will come down and there’ll be less of a need to rob and kill for the money to pay for the drugs. Addicts can simply beg for the money.” That is true. However, many narcotics have long-term debilitating effect on the addicts - lost of concentration, lost of memory, lost of ability to work under pressure, unsociable behavior, etc. A large group of addicts will not be able to continue their employment to fund their addictions. However, human generosity only goes so far. If a drug addict come up to you to ask you for money to pay for his next ‘fix’, would you give him any of your hard-earned money?

With cheap narcotics, would people have the self-control to stop themselves from diving deeper and deeper into the hole that they dig for themselves?

The law is made to protect society from the effect of individuals taking drugs. The side effect is that the law also prohibits the society as a whole from making, selling and possessing harmful and/or additive drugs.

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October 12, 2003

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we live in a nanny state. i should be able to stick what the hell i want into my body, as long as no-one else is harmed. the government enjoys its control over us as it gets cash from our legal drugs of tobacco and alcohol. they only allow these to be used by people beacuse of the ease of control they can have over them. they are power freaks and capitalist ba*tards who only care of cash and power rather than human rights and people's feelings. it needs to stop.
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Let's use an example: A guy went out drinking with a group of his buddies and in their drunken states the guys thought 'it would be a laugh' to beat up someone who just bumped into one in the group... The guys, without being under the influence of alcohol, would not do that, normally. But since they were, they went ahead.

Who's fault is that? The alcohol? Or is it the guys who drank too much?

This is a very realistic example as this happens up and down the country on every Friday and Saturday nights. The ability to go and enjoy yourself is your human right. However, the ensuing trouble the drunks cause is a crime. Simple

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October 14, 2003

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but seriously slick, you may think weed is a bad drug and its fair for you to say so, I just dont think you have the right to critisise the people the people who smoke it though, after all it is their decision.
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And while cannabis is an illegal/banned substance, the person smoking or in possession of the stuff is breaking the law. I guess Slick point is not so much whether the stuff is good or bad for the smoker - it's illegal.

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October 15, 2003

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Hey sorry to hear about your problem but hey, iam 22 my mom caught me with a ounce of weed a bong and a pipe when i was 17 she flipped but she forgot about it or got over it quickly and i got caught shop lifting when i was 15 she smack the shit out of me but got over it soon enough even caught me having sex.. oops! point is they are you parents and are not perfect my any strech they were just shocked. It sucks now but dont worry about it. you cant go back in time and you cant make them not mad only time will correct that. Weed is no big deal! i dont care what any one says. I use to smoke ALOT but i always had a good job and took care of my stuff. Drinking is far worse for your body then smoking a joint! worse thing that weed could do is lower you sperm count, but when your 17 who wants a high sperm count anyway
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Whether you or anyone else thinks it is 'ok' to smoke weed is not the point here. The point is that possession and smoking of weed is illegal in this country. This is that simple. If you want to smoke weed legally, the nearest place you can go is Holland. If you want to smoke weed all the time legally, go and live in Amsterdam. If you so want to remain in this country you have to respect the law of the land and act in accordance to how it dictate you should act. Don't tell me that this is unfair. If it is so unfair, you should campaign to have it legalized. If the MPs don't want to make it legal, you can try and get some other MPs into Parliament. Until it is legal to have and smoke weed in the UK, you run of risk of breaking the law and being arrested for it if you act in contravention to the law. Simple.

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October 15, 2003

Personally, I don't have a problem with cannabis being legalized. If the law changes and that the possession of it (in whatever quantity) and the usage of it will not be breaking the law, that's fine. There's certainly sufficient evidence out there to suggest that smoking weed does not cause substantial health problems and that it does not result in anti-social behavior (of the type that we associate in modern Britain, anyway).

However, there's one final hurdle to get over before I'm comfortable with the legalization of cannabis... I know how the model in Holland works - you can physically walk into a shop and buy and smoke the stuff. There're cannabis dealers around that only sell you weed and the implements that you need to smoke it. That's great - an open, unregulated market - weed if freely available and there's no criminality associated with it. Meanwhile, you look back to the UK... Who can you buy weed from?

The problem is that, right now, the very people you can buy weed from can also sell you all kinds of dangerous drugs - ecstasy, cocaine, heroin and other hard drugs. I’m not suggesting that your dealers actually have all of these with him/her at all times. However, they can either get their hands on them with little difficulties or they know someone who can get you what you want (they certainly know the market better than any users). At the point when cannabis is legalized, these very same dealers will be dealing in both legalized drugs as well as illegal ones. How would a first time user of a legalized drug know what to do when the dealer promises him something that gives him/her a better ‘kick’?

It is all about economics and distribution channels. At the point of legalization, the only channels available for obtaining cannabis will be via existing dealers. Until some ‘more open’ channels of distribution become available, many of the dealers will be dealing in both legal and illegal drugs. Moreover, dealers don’t deal in drugs for love, they do it for the money. (And please don’t tell me there’s nothing else for them to do!) When a drug becomes legalized, the profit margins are going to fall, as other forms of distribution come into play. So, what are these dealers going to do to maintain their profit margins? One of the ways is to set up shop to deal in bigger volume. That’s the ‘good thing’ that can happen. However, there’s a darker alternative - they start dealing or get more involved in dealing other higher margin drugs, which are again illegal. Don’t forget, drug related crimes affects the Dutch society just as much as the British, there’re, by proportion, as many people addicted to hard drugs in the larger Dutch cities as there in those in the UK.

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October 15, 2003

That's the completely wrong attitude towards the rule of law!!

Laws exist in society, simple. They're there not to be bent or pushed and see if you can get away with it. No!! Getting caught breaking of law, no matter how small the infringement is, deserves punishment. That's what the law says. There's no emotion nor prejudice in the application of law.

If you don't want to be caught or punished, there're two ways of doing things: 1) don't break the law to begin with, or 2) break it and try to get away with it. There is a choice. Getting caught breaking the law and then b!tch about it after is just plain naive! If you don't like the law, have it changed if you can. Otherwise, go buy a desert island and live like a king there. If you can't, live with it.

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October 20, 2003

I'm not 100% sure what you're trying to get at...

I think, for most people anyway, the reason they don't want to legalize cannabis is because it is associated with other hard drugs. And I'm fairly certain that those who're really against legalization will give you a rather long lecture about 'if we legalize cannabis, what else is going to be legalized next?'

As I have mentioned in one of my previous posts, the chances of scoring something else other than weed from a dealer is relatively high, if you want to and some people (myself included) will have a problem with dealers selling legalized and illegal drugs at the same time. I'm aware that a lot of people exercise a lot of self control. However, for the politicians, they don't want to be blamed for some kids who ODed because they managed to score something a lot harder than weed from a dealer...

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October 21, 2003

Dealers don't see drugs because it is illegal, but because of the potential profits. However, the profits are there because the illegality of drugs. It's a supply-demand thing, I think.

On the other hand, if and when it is legalized, there cannot be a regulated market as such. Weed is not like tobacco, it can be grown just about anywhere. A 'regulated' market will simply encourage people to grow them by themselves... which may or may not be a good thing.


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