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london buses

October 26, 2003

[Originally posted by shiato storm]

there are no words that can come close to what I want to describe how I feel about london bus drivers and how utterly inept they really are at driving.

I was hit today coming back from rowing - thus slightly tired and not needing what was about to happen...

I go reasonably fast on my bike, enough to keep up with the traffic anyway, so there I was peddling along coming up to hammersmith (just past ravenscourt park) and I pass a bus at a bus stop. thinking nothing of it at the time as I wizzed past I continued on when suddenly out of the corner of my right eye I see just RED...

the bus I passed, clearly not giving a sh*t, had buzzed up behind me, over taken and knowing full well he had to stop at the next bus stop he pulled in - RIGHT INTO ME!!

yes, he hit me. not off my bike completely but I was being basically forced into a line of parked cars and pedestrians waiting to get on this offending bus...

I also smacked my right knee and shoulder on the side of this several ton thing as I was cut up, and both are in considerable pain right now. my mate is a physio so can get them fixed if they proove to be buggered a bit - i know my knee was sore prior to this incident by clearly being hit by several tons of flying metal (compared to my 70kg - plus bike - mass...you work out the rest) didn't help.

when I came level with the doors I shouted at the bus driver asking him quite what he thought he was doing - to which he swore at me, and told me where to go.

so I would like to know do I have any rights as to this matter, who do I contact to report this irresponsible driver? the police, bus company?...I'm utterly pissed off at the way they think they can get away with it, and someone has to just stand up and say no.

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October 27, 2003

I've never been knocked of by buses. However, the number of times I've been given a close shave or have actually been knocked of by motorists is due to one of two things: 1) aggressive drivers who don't look where they're going (including right turning without signals, left turning without signals, ignoring red lights, etc), or 2) obstacles on ‘cycle lanes’ (such as broken bottles, parked cars, slow bikers, pedestrians, etc) force me onto traffic and the drivers in turn do something stupid.

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October 28, 2003

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I do not understand why cyclists are not allowed (in law) on the pavement, it just does not make any sense to me . There is little danger of a fatality or serious injury between a pedestrian and a cyclist, where as the potential between a car and cyclist is huge.
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No! That is one point I completely disagree.

As a cyclist who pride himself of the speed and ability to negotiate traffic, I observe the highway code - I do what road-going vehicles do. Simple. How can you expect drivers to respect you as a cyclist if you don't have to obey the same rules that they are subjected to? The fact that the vast majority of drivers either deliberately or innocently ignore proper driving rules doesn't mean that we, as cyclist, have to have special treatment. Riding along with walking or running pedestrians are even more dangerous than riding next to speeding cars, vans and lorries. Pedestrians have even more things on their minds then drivers.

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October 28, 2003

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Unfortunately you are in the minority. The vast majority of cyclists in London are a menace to themselves and others.
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Just wondering if you actually cycle around in the center of London?? If you do, you'd notice that 90% of all cyclists (whether they go fast or slow) follow the law and all the trimmings that come with the Highway Code. Again, it is the remaining 10% that go and do stupid things at traffic lights and jumping on and off the pavement, etc.

As far as I'm concern, most of this 10% of renegades are not that good cyclists and they strive to 'beat the traffic' by relying on the breaking the laws that govern the etiquette of road usage. Whether they're on the bike or in the car, they're going to behave like jerks.

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October 28, 2003

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To be honest there's no way in hell id cycle on a busy road, ill always go on the pavement unless its packed with people. The roads in this country are too packed and not designed for bikes and for drivers i can understand its like trying to avoid a pedestrian on speed.
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The pavement (or sidewalk, if you prefer US lingo) is never designed to accommodate bicycles. Please never let me see you on your bike on the pavement...

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October 28, 2003

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I'd say 10% at the very most stop at traffic lights, for example. I've never cycled in London, and I never would, but I drive and ride a motorcycle (and I'm one of the minority of sensible motorcyclists) into town every day. It is rare for me to see a cyclist stop at a red light.
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What you've said is entirely consistent with people who don't ride a bike in London - you don't notice the good cyclists. All you care to point out are the ones who break the rules, but not those who observe them. That's like saying all Moscovite drivers are crazy and drive on the pavement in traffic jams, but it's completely untrue, because only half of them do.

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October 29, 2003

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I did not say I ride on the pavement. I do not ride anywhere anymore because it just too dodgy. “Spikegifted”, you don’t agree with my point that there is significantly less danger of a fatality or serious injury between a pedestrian and a cyclist than between a cyclist and car?
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That's depends on your definition of 'danger'... Over the years, two of people who've cause me a lot of grieve have received hospital treatment after they 'accidentally' stepped in front of my bike - one had bruised ribs and the other had a fractured finger. I, on the other hand, had the pleasure of receiving nasty gashes on my knees, my elbows and some rather juicy road marking on my lower leg and my bum. Guess what, one didn't look before she jumped off the back of bus ('RouteMaster') and the other didn't look before he jay-walked in front of me...

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October 29, 2003

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it is illegal to park in cycle lanes.

if you want a good example of parking in cycle lanes - go round london for a day...
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We need about 10 times more traffic wardens and they need to have far more power in issuing tickets - not just parking tickets, but driving offenses!! There should be no appeal! If they give you a ticket, you have to take it in the chin (and the wallet). If you don't like it don't do stupid things again. If you beat them up or abuse them, you get another ticket and an arrest warrant for assault.

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October 29, 2003

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Use a foot, rather than a weapon, because then you can say the car hit you, and your foot was the first point of impact.
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When I first riding in London (all of 17 years ago), I thought I could do that. Have you ever try pulling a foot out of the click-on pedal and then kick out at a moving vehicle? It's not the easiest thing to do. Two things can happen:

1) You don't connect (the more likely case) - Depending on how hard you kicked out, one way or another, you're ended up swirving on the road... Not the safest thing to do on a busy road!

2) You manage to connect (which is probably worse) - If the vehicle is stationary, you just hope that your foot doesn't get trapped/jammed/stuck in/on something on the side; if you hit the vehicle at the back, you will break something, but most likely some of your own body parts. If the vehicle is moving and you're moving along side, I just hope that you know what you're kicking into!

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October 30, 2003

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Also if you had been on the pavement, they would not have been stepping out in front of you when they crossed the road .
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That's interesting... I'm just curious whether you actually spend anytime cycling seriously?

Since cycling on the pavement will mean instead of achieving an average cycling speed of 23.5mph, I'd be stuck at whatever speed the person in front of me is doing - whether that person is walking, running or cycling. To add to the problem with cycling on the pavement, you have to cross streets... What are going to do? Plunge across like most pedestrians? (You'd get yourself killed quicker than on the road!) Or stop, check out the traffic and then get back on your pedals and cross? (You'd waste significant time and much effort accelerating from each junction.)


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